Shelby GT500

 

See, only took five minutes.

 

Theo, you have inspired me to pursue EV as next car....

 

Don't believe this man.

 

Oh, I believe @Sixman.
If one has a small stable of vehicles (so one can choose usage, accordingly), live in a sunny metropolitan environment with a large enough Solar array on one's roof, are happy to purchase a seriously overweight vehicle, fast in a straight line, purely for metro use and with no towing requirement, why wouldn't one purchase a BEV? Makes perfect sense.

 

Sometimes I dont appreciate how lucky we are. I would probably buy a single motor cheap runabout for the kids.
The only performance BEV that interests me at the moment is the Hyundai. Would like to see some head to head comparisons with the A45s.
Actually, would love to test them with you Ed to get your perspective.

Maybe the C63sE is a good car, but cant shake its history and costs way too much.

 

@Sixman

Does Eastern Creek still have mid-week drive days available?
If it does and you can arrange a drive test of the Hyundai, I'll fly up for the day and we can back-to-back the cars using your A45s.

 

@Sixman

Does Eastern Creek still have mid-week drive days available?
If it does and you can arrange a drive test of the Hyundai, I'll fly up for the day and we can back-to-back the cars using your A45s.

I like that idea. I dont have any Hyundai contacts, but let me investigate. Generally track time is not permitted for test drives lol My work also makes me time poor at the moment.

 

Oh, I believe @Sixman.
If one has a small stable of vehicles (so one can choose usage, accordingly), live in a sunny metropolitan environment with a large enough Solar array on one's roof, are happy to purchase a seriously overweight vehicle, fast in a straight line, purely for metro use and with no towing requirement, why wouldn't one purchase a BEV? Makes perfect sense.

They would and probably should, but without an inspiration from Theo.

The only performance BEV that interests me at the moment is the Hyundai. Would like to see some head to head comparisons with the A45s.
Actually, would love to test them with you Ed to get your perspective.

Same here about the Ioniq 5N and not only for its straight line performance that should match a UK tuned 490hp A45s, but noise too, even if it's fake. I mean, one would say everything's going fake nowadays, so... But what I would say, is that when done nicely, such as in the case of the Ioniq 5N, it's a big yes from me. Gears and rpm in an EV? That goes beyond fake and enters the realm of unreal, in a good way. It's molecular gastronomy at its finest. Brandy that you can EAT, vegetables turned into pasta, you don't even know what is real and what is not. It's not fake air vent, nor fake exhaust tips, it's an ERA crossover. Closest thing to ICE I've ever seen! Come on, gotta appreciate that! Would beyond any doubt grow on me, very quickly.

Going back to straight line performance:

0-100 in 3.4 sec
100-200 should be mid 8's
0-200 should be a whooping 12 flat, which is on par with our cars' 1/4 time, and since we trap around 186, means we're 16 kph short. To see how big that is, go for a drive on the highway and match your speed to the car in front, then quickly increase your speed by 16kph and change lane to overtake.
1/4 should be mid 11's and that is about 5-6 car lengths faster than our cars

What all these stats mean is that, basically, we stand no chance. We will be close up to 120 and then it's game over. We should already be a couple car lengths behind by 140 kph. Make that 150 in a 100 kph roll on. Would annihilate the new M2 as well, although might be close in a roll on.

 

They would and probably should, but without an inspiration from Theo.


Same here about the Ioniq 5N and not only for its straight line performance that should match a UK tuned 490hp A45s, but noise too, even if it's fake. I mean, one would say everything's going fake nowadays, so... But what I would say, is that when done nicely, such as in the case of the Ioniq 5N, it's a big yes from me. Gears and rpm in an EV? That goes beyond fake and enters the realm of unreal, in a good way. It's molecular gastronomy at its finest. Brandy that you can EAT, vegetables turned into pasta, you don't even know what is real and what is not. It's not fake air vent, nor fake exhaust tips, it's an ERA crossover. Closest thing to ICE I've ever seen! Come on, gotta appreciate that! Would beyond any doubt grow on me, very quickly.

Going back to straight line performance:

0-100 in 3.4 sec
100-200 should be mid 8's
0-200 should be a whooping 12 flat, which is on par with our cars' 1/4 time, and since we trap around 186, means we're 16 kph short. To see how big that is, go for a drive on the highway and match your speed to the car in front, then quickly increase your speed by 16kph and change lane to overtake.
1/4 should be mid 11's and that is about 5-6 car lengths faster than our cars

What all these stats mean is that, basically, we stand no chance. We will be close up to 120 and then it's game over. We should already be a couple car lengths behind by 140 kph. Make that 150 in a 100 kph roll on. Would annihilate the new M2 as well, although might be close in a roll on.

@Theo,

Now ask that fat tub of lard to perform as you describe, five times in a row, on a cold night,

 

Yes and when you enter the numbers game, you will eventually always get beaten... It is a very humbling experience to spend 80k€ on a car, then another 5k€ in tyres and brakes, arrive at the Touristenfahrten parking, realize that you didn't even cut to the average level of cars and then get your ass whipped by a 200hp track prep'd Mini on your lap 🤣 🤣 🤣

Now after that, one could go tail between his legs back home crying for mama or, learn to appreciate the experience, you can't always win... They say 😅

 

@Theo I was actually referencing my own experiences with my past & present ICE cars (A45S included) on the Nurburgring, so to be understood as 100% self irony, not an attack in EV. The point was that if one only care about the numbers (HP, TQ, 0-100, 1/4-mile, Ring lap time....) you will never be satisfied and you will most probably always end-up beaten. More is not always more, the question should be: how does it make you feel? (once you forget about the numbers)

And I fully agree with you, the Ionic N is the 1st interesting take on a sporty EV. But I will not get one for myself... unless fuel becomes un-obtainable

Thanks for clarifying. Well you definitely drive yours the way it was meant to, which is more than I can say for myself or any of us here. This car most definitely has never been a straight line missile, I don't think it was intended to, despite what most journalists want us to believe. Not that 12 flat isn't a very good time for a stock hatch, same for 100-200 kph in under 10. It's nowhere near fast, but it's quick. It's as quick as its power to weight makes it, which is good, but not impressive. What IS impressive is its specific output for a Euro 6 vehicle and even more impressive is what it does and how it does it around corners, being quite heavy and yet being nimble and agile. That is where it truly shines, something you know better than most of us here.

That being said, I'm not a pro like you and don't start with the modesty - compared to how I use mine, you are a pro. So what I do with mine, forces me to focus on power to weight, more than anything else, and with that in mind, the Ioniq 5N is indeed a very probable candidate at 3.38 kg / hp. Still far from around 2.8 where things start to really be interesting, but at the end of the day, it's still a hatch. It also addresses a few EV turn offs such as the lack of exhaust noise and gearing.

 

One thing though about the Ionic 5 N, have you stood next to one? It's massive! More SUV than hatch. Which goes some way to explain it's weight I suppose.
If Hyundai has one as official Ring taxi, I might have a go to see how it does (from the passenger seat) mid-may this year.

 

I actually have never seen it in real, but would love to have the opportunity. In fact, and I'm not kidding, if I ever spot one parked on the side of the road, I will pull over in my AMG to have a look at the Hyundai.

 

Meanwhile we talk about it like it's some thing of the future, but it's already happening. We were in Vienna for my wife's business trip a little over a month ago, and the volume of EV's in the city center was something else. Wouldn't be an exaggeration to say they were the majority of vehicles on streets such as outside the State Opera and the Albertina Museum. Some countries/cities will lead the way and others will follow, it's a multi speed world. But the trend is undeniable, we are moving toward EV's, whether we like it or not. You just wait until a few things are sorted in the not too distant future, things like charging networks, charging times, range, weight etc., and they will dominate the streets in nearly every part of the world, sooner than we think. As for the artificial exhaust noise that we would all prefer over the weird UFO sounds, that's something I don't expect to last very long. I believe that particular feature will become a trend during the transition, to make the switch easier for the ICE die hards, but once they have dominated the market, it will be a thing of the past. The future generations will have no connection with ICE or anything about it.

 

On a thread on the A35 part of the forum, we are hearing that Emotion Start has been retired from the A45 and A35. That in itself is a reason not to buy a new A45s and hang on to the one I have now.

 

It can easily keep me happy for another eight years I believe. However, I need that little DTE power bump and sometime maybe in the next three years, I may get a downpipe with the necessary custom tune that will be mild, it's going to run similar boost to DTE, however perhaps it may squeeze a little more juice via timing advance that the box isn't able to. It will be an upgrade primarily for the exhaust noise though. With that done, I think the car will definitely turn 12 before I let it go. These little changes should be just what I need to keep me excited for that long.

What are your thoughts on that? I mean do you plan to get a tune sometime, considering you're thinking of hanging on to it? Or won't mind keeping stock for years to come? And how long would that be?

 

I just don’t want anything to go wrong with it as it ages so I probably won’t tune it.

 

I moved on to an EV, 0-60 in 2.9s, and 11.4s 1/4 mile stock. Next car after this will be another EV, that will be running 10s. A45s was good for its time, but its way to down on power and speed to even consider these days.

 

Which EV did you buy?

 

The end of the GTR.

Iconic car discontinued after 18 years 'will be back without doubt', boss says

AN ICONIC sports car that was discontinued earlier this year “will be back without a doubt,” the firm’s boss has revealed. Nissan released a heartfelt message for customers and fa…

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Man I just can't accept a battery powered GTR. Tesla's Model S Plaid, okay. Porsche's Taycan Turbo, mmkay, "turbo" looks dumb but sure.
But GTR??

 

If anyone’s thinking of one of these 😁 think again.

Mercedes Recalls Nearly All AMG Ones Because They Could Burst Into Flames, But Not Because Of The Engine - Jalopnik

The Mercedes-AMG One's active rear spoiler's hydraulic line is missing a handful of cotter pins, and the missing parts can lead to a hydraulic fluid leak.

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There goes your test drive lol

 

And its gone! Sold my A45s just before the 5yr warranty ends. Brilliant car but not convinced about long term reliability.

Had an amazing time evertime i pushed it. The engine is a ripper and the steering/balance superb, combined with a genuinely exciting interior, the AMG seats were perfect for me.

Downsides - not much, fuel economy was tragic. Previous manual FoRS was probably more fun though less capable. Compared to 5 yrs ago there are now loads of faster EV options, some at ridiculously low prices.

 

Let us know what you decide on next!