While I agree with your sentiments I would watch this before you choose the GTR

 

My A250 is just over 3 years old and I plan to keep it till it’s about 6 🤞🤞 when I’ll start getting my OAP 😳😳🙄🙄 then will seriously look at getting an EV but a more sporty one. Think the prices, technology and more essentially, the infrastructure will be better

 

I'm 54 years old and probably like most of the folks on this forum, I have been passionate about my cars since the age of 17. I started out in Ford Capris (four of them, 1.6L a couple of tuned 2.0S' and then a 2.8 injection). Tricky cars to drive in some respects but as such, they provided a more than adequate 'apprenticeship' from a pure driving perspective. At this point, my plan is to buy a performance 'polluter' which I will keep until I can't drive anymore. Woke? I think that somebody needs to dig me in the ribs. The plan is to insure it as a limited mileage vehicle and use it just for fun. Don't shoot me but I'm thinking along the lines of a Dodge Challenger SRT/Charger Hellcat or the like. At the moment, I receive quite a generous car allowance with my job which almost funds the A45S but assuming that I need to start visiting customers F2F again soon, I may use the allowance for an EV before I retire. I'm nowhere near that yet however. As far as ICE is concerned, I'll always dig the SOUND man...as Jimi once declared.

 

Don't shoot me but I'm thinking along the lines of a Dodge Challenger SRT/Charger Hellcat or the like.

I know where you're coming from..... there's something very alluring about the way a Charger looks and sounds!


Although handling ranks quite high up on my priorities, I'm looking at a late Mustang, but it must have the Custom Pack 2, and Magnaride.

I test drove a Mustang recently, and the secondary ride on a non-Magnaride model around 40mph wasn't great, something I think the Magnaride would solve.

And of course, I'd have to seriously consider how good the Mustang interior was 'screwed together' - as the W205 interior isn't, as much as I would love to go down the C63s route!

So no, I'm not ready to embrace a full EV just yet.

 

I'm currently lusting after a new R232 SL63 as a long term keeper. This time the SL is an AMG only 4matic+ model so engineered by the geniuses at Affalterbach. First car on the brand new AMG GT platform. Much more dynamic than the last one but still with S Class level comfort and cruising ability.

I do like a convertible and the soft top allows less weight and more dynamism than the last one. It won't be roof off all year in the UK but when its down there is that hand built V8 to listen to. And when it's up, the S Class spec roof should be totally refined.

 

Slightly controversial point of view ……

…..ICE will still be here in 10 years time and beyond and thriving

synthetic fuels are the way forward

 

EV is the future, there's no doubt about that, it will happen, sooner or later. Like I said I too believe the dates will be pushed back as they usually do, but that's not the problem. Problem (and the reason I made the thread) is that many car makers have already started discontinuing part of their fleet, or transcending them to EV which is all the same in my book. No more ICE RS6 for instance, next one will be EV. So if one wanted to have the last of the Mohicans RS6, they would have to hurry! Same with the Nissan GTR, except that one will have one more (albeit hybrid) go before it goes fully electric. With that in mind, we'd really like to have the last non electric GTR in our garage, and keep it for many, many years. But if we do nothing, thinking that we got time, like ICE won't be officially over until after 20 years, then goodbye GTR.

 

Not yet decided myself, but my old boys starting to solidify his final "fun cars". With a new diesel Sorento on the way to tow their Caravan and an Ev6 for my old dear he's got 1100hp British BHP in the garage. (yes they arnt std)

 

Currently I have the A45s as my daily and then my A90 Supra for fun.

I'm in no rush to get an EV yet, but will end up with one for a daily. No plans to let the Supra go, not while I can still get petrol for it anyway.

I may have 1 more ICE car between the A45s and which ever EV I'd get, but who knows what will be available in another 4/5 years. My choices were already limited when I got the A45s last year (no new WRX STI, no new Focus RS)

 

Currently I have the A45s as my daily and then my A90 Supra for fun.

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I'm in no rush to get an EV yet, but will end up with one for a daily. No plans to let the Supra go, not while I can still get petrol for it anyway.

I may have 1 more ICE car between the A45s and which ever EV I'd get, but who knows what will be available in another 4/5 years. My choices were already limited when I got the A45s last year (no new WRX STI, no new Focus RS)

Real pity every one's fitting pana grills I though that was your a160 beside your Z4.... 😜

 

After only a month of PHEV ownership I definitely see electric as the way forward, although I'd love a proper M or AMG car before they go electric too. By the time my kids have flown the nest and I've got some disposable incoming back I won't have the choice if the government gets its way.

My biggest concern is not electrification it's that the market is pushing too many people to SUVs - MB are saying they won't make any more estates, lots of other manufacturers are dropping saloons and estates in favour of boring, poor handling, inefficient but "safe" SUVs.

It's easy to make a fast electric car (see Tesla) but making something you want to drive is something else. By the time the legislation kicks in driving won't be fun anymore as we will be automatically limited to how fast we can drive and probably there will be some level of autonomous driving as standard, might as well get an Uber everywhere.

 

in favour of boring, poor handling, inefficient but "safe" SUVs.

It's easy to make a fast electric car (see Tesla) but making something you want to drive is something else. By the time the legislation kicks in driving won't be fun anymore as we will be automatically limited to how fast we can drive and probably there will be some level of autonomous driving as standard, might as well get an Uber everywhere.

You should try an X5, Cayenne, SVR, Arus, Bentayga......... SUVs can be very entertaining!!!

 

I totally agree that there are some lovely SUVs about, but my point was more that as consumers we are being given less choice - the market has made car manufacturers decide that their business should be focussed on making more varieties SUVs as they can charge a lot more money for not a lot more car.

 

I think some of the SUVs make a mockary of the traditional 'saloons' on sale. Look at the spec of a loaded Kia Sportage and the lease costs compared to a Peugeot, Ford, Vauxhall or even BMW, Merc or AUDI ...... The traditional cars have simply stopped innovating.

I'm even concidering a loaded Hyundai Santa Fe for the wife and nanny to use fir school runs and keep the other cars clean.

Looked at getting a Tesla X, but they are SO expensive for a decent spec. Very popular with the footballers and their wives.

 

Polestar 2 on order to replace my A35 daily. Next year I will be seeking a tidy 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 as an ICE long termer weekend toy…

 

Long Range, Dual Motor?
Are UK deliveries built in Sweden or China? (Regrettably, ours are Chinese and with your standards for interior "fit and finish" would drive you to distraction in a month! )

Love your Cayman idea, fantastic. new or second-hand?

 

GT-R

 

How do you rate the GTR's build quality for a 180K Pound vehicle?

 

Haven’t been in a recent one!

Engine build is faultless of course, dare I say it, most likely "better" built than a hand assembled AMG engine

 

Can't definitively comment on the engine build comparison, as I haven't been in the Nissan/Nismo engine plant; however a friend of mine's 2019 GTR is most definitely a Nissan inside the cabin.
Everyone in our group of friends stir him about it all the time.
Although it certainly didn't cost him 180K Pounds, either. More like the equivalent of 120K Pounds.
Obviously a different model to that tested in the Video.
None the less, the interior of my "half the price" A45S makes the Nissan look like a very poor joke.

On the subject of engines, having been through the AMG engine plant, I doubt (although cannot know for sure) that the Nissan build quality is better.
The big disappointment in the AMG engines lies on the component manufacturing side.
I would summarise it by saying AMG are very professionally assembling , in some cases, quite poor quality components.

 

I think it’s also a question of volumes….. there’s only 5 of them that do the engine build for the entire GT-R production! 😂

 

SERIOUSLY Race Car !!

 

Anyone cares to explain why performance EV's run out of steam up top? I can see why they're so strong down low, but what's making them look like their engines broke after 130 mph? Is there a technical bottleneck that present tech is unable to work around?

 

@Theo
Have you looked the RIMAC Nevera?
THIS is the future of EV performance, which is precisely why VW Audi Group has folded it into their Ultra premium brands (Porsche has had a minority stake in it for years) and placed their CEO in charge of Bugatti.

 

Loved mine. Wish I had kept it now...

Garage looks empty now...

Build was good but not perfect/German.

MY17 was definitely better than the first gen R35.

 

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Loved mine. Wish I had kept it now...

Garage looks empty now...

Build was good but not perfect/German.

MY17 was definitely better than the first gen R35.

Which is actually, precisely the point.
You set your level of expectations of its interior / general build quality, around the provision, for its day, of an extraordinary level of performance.
Not too shabby, even today!!
Sounds like you almost miss it !!
Quite understand, couldn't agree with you more.
When you purchase REAL performance, as you did, that is what ultimately matters.

 

Some of you may have already fully embraced the EV era, so you could care less about ICE, but I'm sure there's a lot of us in here that aren't ready for it just yet. And while one day this will be all we know, for our children and grand children even more so, ICE support (spare parts included) should still be alive and kicking for years to come, so we should still be able to pollute the environment, albeit probably with road tax shot through the roof.

So ICE will soon phase out and although we aren't there just yet and chances are the dates will be pushed back as they usually do (because profit), but in case they don't and the planet does become top priority for once, how do you see yourself in 10 years with respect to your future cars? Are you going to keep your most favorite ICE car just so you can still enjoy blasts from the past every now and then? Are you going to keep two? Are you going to keep them all? Or are you going to treasure them all in your heart and move on? After all, as strong as this bond may be, the future is right there, and there's still so much that awaits you, new experiences to live and new memories to make. EV memories.

I'll go first.

The Nissan GTR has always been one of our most iconic cars and we've always wanted to have one. Nissan is currently working on what will probably be the last ICE GTR that we see. After that, it may either phase out entirely or transcend to the EV era like the Porsche Taycan Turbo (no actual turbo involved, it's just a marketing thing), but even if it does transcend, it won't be the same.

Well my wife and I aren't ready for the new era, and we wanna have one last performance car in our garage, but it has to be special, it has to be powerful and reliable. We're thinking the last 2022 Nissan GTR could be the one and perhaps with lots of pampering and attention, it could be with us for decades (at least as long as we have support and fuel available), and be something we can show our children and grand children and say this is how great cars used to be. But at the same time we're ready to give EV a chance, so next to the GTR we'll definitely have a couple EVs.

How about you?

In 10yrs? Dead maybe , that's why the first question I ask at my age is 'what's the delivery time?' and the reason I ordered a Corolla GR was the man said this year. I'm begining to doubt it of course now with only 500 coming to Oz. My present garage A35 Daily, Lotus Elise Track.

 

And a flying carpet!!!!!

 

I also wonder if supercar makers will resort to artificial engine sounds. At least while we are in the transition period, not in a hundred years when all we will know about ICE will come from youtube. Eventually I suppose there will be nothing left of it, no growling no screaming no nothing, just silent take offs and fly by's. But for now, dunno about you but I can't bear the thought of a muted McLaren or a Lambo or a Pagani. As lame as it sounds, artificial noise would provide a solution while the two worlds coexist. Not talking about daily commuters and cruisers, as their ICE predecessors are unlikely to be missed. And neither about hot/hyper hatches as they are probably phasing out too.

 

Not "phasing out" mine any time soon!!

 

That being said, yesterday afternoon I spotted a Model S Performance and it was gorgeous with those huge wheels, the rear wing and front fender details. Wonderful color too, some very dark gray, almost black. Perhaps a dark anthracite shade, which I've never seen on a Tesla. I was also surprised at how wide it is. He was cruising on another lane on the highway otherwise I would've taken a photo. No engine noise, an absolute turn-off, sure, but I wouldn't say no to having it in my garage. And btw, pics don't do it justice, up close it's 100 times better, sportier, angrier. Might even be better than the Taycan Turbo S, again, in terms of looks.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the performance of an electric car. It’s the lack of noise and instant MPG gained by filling up. Also I guess most of us are hooked on ICE cars.

 

What cars are you going to now that Mercedes have fixed RRP pricing on the agency model? Swapping for a current model when there are no discounts are absurdly costly.

Mines now 4 years old (longest I've held a car!) but expensive to change.

Tempted by a facelift buy you have to be crazy to drop nearly 65k on one and crazier still 70k for a green one!

Don't want to go electric yet!

 

What cars are you going to now that Mercedes have fixed RRP pricing on the agency model? Swapping for a current model when there are no discounts are absurdly costly.

Mines now 4 years old (longest I've held a car!) but expensive to change.

Tempted by a facelift buy you have to be crazy to drop nearly 65k on one and crazier still 70k for a green one!

Don't want to go electric yet!

We’re very similar with my car reaching 4 years old in March. Unless something goes seriously go wrong I intend hanging on to it for a while longer. I’ll probably think about EVs in say two/threes time when the time to let go will inevitably come. Having said that I did scrape a speed bump today at a hotel we’re staying at, doing around 5 mph. Hopefully the noise was just loud mostly in my head with no damage.

 

You have to go RS3, if you are into Hot Hatches.
What other choices are there?

If you are moving out of that category, well there are myriad choices.

You need to define the category, before you can narrow down the choices.
I mean to say for example, if you are prepared to go two doors, two seat, there are really quite a lot of choices.

 

Iam just over 3 yrs ownership on my A45s.
Given the complexity of this car will probably changeover to something else when I approach the tail end of the 5 yr manufacturers warranty. Dont think I want to own the A45s without a warranty, particuarly as its unmodded.

Have no idea what I would get next. For EV the Ioniq 5N looks almost like a direct replacement for the A45s. Significantly faster as well. Still contemplating buying an older ICE car and doing it up as well.

 

Iam just over 3 yrs ownership on my A45s.
Given the complexity of this car will probably changeover to something else when I approach the tail end of the 5 yr manufacturer's warranty. Don't think I want to own the A45s without a warranty, particularly as its unmodded.

Have no idea what I would get next. For EV the Ioniq 5N looks almost like a direct replacement for the A45s. Significantly faster as well. Still contemplating buying an older ICE car and doing it up as well.

You consider 2200 KG to be an alternative o 1650?

I think @Akinen has summed up that comparison just about as well as is possible,

 

You can look at one parameter in isolation or the overall purpose of the car. They are both fast, fun, daily drivers.

This is kind of my style for this type of car, Chris is on my track!

Prefer other cars for travelling, for roll racing etc.

 

You can look at one parameter in isolation or the overall purpose of the car. They are both fast, fun, daily drivers.

This is kind of my style for this type of car, Chris is on my track!

Prefer other cars for travelling, for roll racing etc.

Doesn't get around the effectively zero range when driven with enthusiasm.

I am surprised Harris does not give this more importance.
Perhaps that is when you know he is from the UK!!

 

Thread tidied up.

EV centric discussion moved to “Idle Chit Chat”

https://www.aclassclub.co.uk/threads/are-ev’s-the-future-cars.24760/

 

More like thread killed...

Its sole purpose was to discuss EV's as a possible alternative with respect to our future cars, considering the phase out of fossil fuel vehicles which has already started, with several models being discontinued, and others transcending to EV, supercars included. In fact my opening post was exactly that. Nothing to do with "what car next" in a broader context. Now somebody will go ahead and say Shelby GT500, and will be right on topic. Plus, my opening post now makes me look like an EV enthusiast, which I'm far from being one, because in a thread about next cars in general (as it now stands), of all cars in the world I had to start with EV's.

I don't really get the need to move the bulk of EV discussion from where they were meant to be in the first place, over to chit chat. I believe you are confusing the future readers and make me look like Mrs wifey next door in her zero emissions air fryer. Please restore my honor, I'm a hardcore, gas guzzling, ICE sworn petrolhead and I want my EV thread back. Uh, wait.